[BFix] FW: The new Socialism!

Sat Apr 26 13:18:34 MST 2008

Okay, I'll use the little words this time.
It is not okay to: Fold, spindle, mutilate, hang or otherwise keep an  
elected official from performing the duties of the office they were elected to  
through force, fear or the threat of violence. Especially in a democratic  
society; there are other avenues of removal.

By your logic the creation of the second amendment provides for the  
assassination of elected officials and it would be the duty of every American to  do 
so when they felt they were not being represented effectively.

I have read Article I section 3 of the Constitution and no where  does it 
imply that elected officials are to be removed from office by force or  fear. The 
Founding Fathers used the words "Impeachment" and "Conviction"

No part of the Constitution is meant to be taken out of context and  
manipulated to suit one's opinion or beliefs. The Constitution is meant to be  
digested as a single document and is a result of the sum of it's parts. That  means 
if you take one piece you take the whole thing.

Your argument is that the 2nd Amendment protects the 1st Amendment. Well if  
you read further down the Bill of Rights you will find the 5th Amendment  
which insures "due process" and further down you will find the 8th  Amendment 
which prohibits the infliction of "Cruel and Unusual" punishment as a  result of 
due process.

And if we are going to split hairs the first Amendment specifically  states:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or  
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of  
the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition 
the  government for a redress of grievances.  
I do not believe that a "lynch mob" has ever been peaceably assembled 
Item next: 
Elected Officials are the embodied manifestation of the office they hold and  
are afforded the respect due their office. It's the old "Salute the rank and 
not  the man" cliche.............you as a former Marine should know that by 
not  saluting the man you are disrespecting the rank. 
I am here all day

In a message dated 4/26/2008 12:10:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
sfu at roadrunner.com writes:

You got  it partly right at least sparky.  The IDEA of elected officials 
is  indeed part of the Constitution and protected but as I said the 
actual  elected officials aren't .  That is specifically why we don't 
swear  allegiance to the current Government instead of the Constitution 
and even  the President is mentioned secondary to the Constitution. 

The Founding  Fathers were very aware of how power corrupts and that is 
why they signed  off on the 1st and 2nd Amendments.  The First so that 
the people  could have unfettered information as to what their elected 
officials were  doing and the Second so that if things got too far out of 
hand that they  could be removed if all else failed.  The control of both 
the Press  and ownership of weapons were some of the first ways the 
British had tried  to keep the Colonists in line. 

As has been demonstrated multiple times  in the past all over the world, 
even when a country's citizens are  informed enough to want to throw off 
the yoke of their   "elected"  officials, without the means to do so it 
is all but  impossible.  So the first is of almost no real use without 
the second  once things have gone downhill but the second allows the 
first to keep the  slide from beginning in the first place.

Steve Urban
Semper  Fi!
SCB#143
EBR#0692
CA4WDC#3576
NRA & CRPA Life Member
29  Palms, CA
sfu at roadrunner.com

Formerjughead at aol.com wrote:
>  The elected officials are part and parcel of the Constitution and are 
>  therefore one in the same. "Support and Defend the Constitution" does 
>  not refer to the document as much as it does to the ideals contained 
>  within it.
>  
> Next
>  
> In a message  dated 4/25/2008 10:30:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
>  sfu at roadrunner.com writes:
>
>     "I do solemnly  swear (or affirm) that I will
>     support and defend  the Constitution of the United States against all
>      enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and
>   allegiance to the same...";.  Notice that you were  swearing
>     allegiance
>     to  the CONSTITUTION and not an elected official (of any party).   No
>     where does it say anything about protecting a  political party or even
>     currently serving  politicians.  Who by the way also all swear to
>      uphold
>     the  Constitution.
>
>
>
>
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