[BFix] I want an electric car

[Keith Forrest]

 I dont know why they dont have the same recycling out West as we get paid for our Gel cell lead acid batteries here on the East coast.

Keith
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  From: ts 
  To: 'bfix' 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:34 PM
  Subject: RE: [BFix] I want an electric car


  Short term, possibly. Been too long since I looked at cost per mile for an EV. 
  The first time that the batteries need replacing an EV is no longer cheap to operate. 
  The 26 GM-Ovanic NiMH batteries that we melted into scrap were valued at $64,000 in 1996. The year b4 that same pack was valued at well over $100k. The 26 Optima Yellows that replaced them still cost ~$2400 and they were likely to only be good for a couple years at most. No idea what disposal fees might be. 

  Using that to make a rough guess an EV would have to be ~$1200-$1500 per year cheaper to operate than an IC just to break even in operator out of pocket expenses.

  Quinn Dusenberry <q.dusenberry at comcast.net> wrote:
    But if you look at it from a purely selfish point of view, isn't it cheaper to operate than a gas car even if you factor in the battery replacement and disposal costs?


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    From: bfix-bounces at broncofix.com [mailto:bfix-bounces at broncofix.com] On Behalf Of ts
    Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:01 AM
    To: robert goodrich; bfix
    Subject: Re: [BFix] I want an electric car

    Pure electrics look good at first glance. If you factor in all of the energy transmittance and conversion losses I highly doubt that they are actually more efficient. Start with looking at how much power has to be generated at your local plant to charge your car. The efficiency in that part of the system is appallingly low, lower than the power production efficiency of an Infernal Combustion (IC) engine in a vehicle.
    Then look at the emissions generated per unit of energy consumed by the end user. I suspect that the results will be appalling even though the plants now run fairly clean.

    These are the dirty "secrets" that the Electric Vehicle lobby never mentions. Makes me wonder if they are even aware of them.

    The energy density of the best affordable battery chemistry for an EV is nowhere close to that of a hydrocarbon fuel. So the Mass to Range ratio of an EV really sucks compared to an IC powered vehicle.

    Now, if you have access to a free charging station............


    Sign me as an alumi of my college's HEV/EV team.

    robert goodrich <broncobones74 at hotmail.com> wrote:
    does anyone know where I can get a citicar or any converted electric vehicle?
    Bob Goodrich m 74 Sport (Bones)



      

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