[BFix] I want an electric car

[ts]

We have recycling of batteries out here, but someone figured out that they could charge to take them in and you risk one mother of a fine for just dumping them. Those that charge to take them probably got the fine increased.

It's the American way.....

Keith Forrest <rkforrest at charter.net> wrote:      I dont know why they dont have the same  recycling out West as we get paid for our Gel cell lead acid batteries here on  the East coast.
  
 Keith
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   From:    ts 
   To: 'bfix' 
   Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:34    PM
   Subject: RE: [BFix] I want an electric    car
   

Short term, possibly. Been too long since I looked at cost per    mile for an EV. 
The first time that the batteries need replacing an EV is    no longer cheap to operate. 
The 26 GM-Ovanic NiMH batteries that we melted    into scrap were valued at $64,000 in 1996. The year b4 that same pack was    valued at well over $100k. The 26 Optima Yellows that replaced them still cost    ~$2400 and they were likely to only be good for a couple years at most. No    idea what disposal fees might be. 

Using that to make a rough guess an    EV would have to be ~$1200-$1500 per year cheaper to operate than an IC just    to break even in operator out of pocket expenses.

Quinn    Dusenberry <q.dusenberry at comcast.net> wrote:             v\:* {  BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* {  BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* {  BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {  BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) }                    But if you look at      it from a purely selfish point of view, isn’t it cheaper to operate than a      gas car even if you factor in the battery replacement and disposal      costs?
     
               
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     From:      bfix-bounces at broncofix.com [mailto:bfix-bounces at broncofix.com] On Behalf Of ts
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:01      AM
To: robert goodrich;      bfix
Subject: Re: [BFix] I      want an electric car

     
     Pure electrics look good at first glance. If you      factor in all of the energy transmittance and conversion losses I highly      doubt that they are actually more efficient. Start with looking at how much      power has to be generated at your local plant to charge your car. The      efficiency in that part of the system is appallingly low, lower than the      power production efficiency of an Infernal Combustion (IC) engine in a      vehicle.
Then look at the emissions generated per unit of energy consumed      by the end user. I suspect that the results will be appalling even though      the plants now run fairly clean.

These are the dirty "secrets" that      the Electric Vehicle lobby never mentions. Makes me wonder if they are even      aware of them.

The energy density of the best affordable battery      chemistry for an EV is nowhere close to that of a hydrocarbon fuel. So the      Mass to Range ratio of an EV really sucks compared to an IC powered      vehicle.

Now, if you have access to a free charging      station............


Sign me as an alumi of my college's HEV/EV      team.

robert goodrich      <broncobones74 at hotmail.com>      wrote:
     does anyone know where I can get a citicar or any      converted electric vehicle?
Bob Goodrich m 74 Sport      (Bones)
     


       
          
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