From 69bronco.davis at gmail.com Sun May 11 07:29:41 2008 From: 69bronco.davis at gmail.com (Dan Davis) Date: Sun May 11 07:29:42 2008 Subject: [BFix] conundrum In-Reply-To: <694703.6918.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <694703.6918.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <804b42240805110729s462e0b38o70a5ceb7ec43c89d@mail.gmail.com> I just throw everything in a big pile at the end of my work bench. That way I know where it's all at. On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Jim Lemanek wrote: > I am cleaning up the garage and putting a lot of stuff and tools away. > > Do I store the 3/8" to 1/4" adapter with the ratchet or the sockets? > > I am just at wits end.... :) > > Sorry, wife's been watching all these "tradiing spaces" and "flip that > house" and other shows, been rubbing off on me I guess. > > On a good note, I came up with a decent way to store my hardtop for the > summer which entails a rack that keeps it up high enough that I can store > other stuff below it. Still takes up floor space, but its up in the air > high enough to fit other stuff underneath it. Like my John Deer lawn tractor > (yes, I need a shed in a bad way). > > --Jim > > _______________________________________________ > bfix mailing list > bfix@broncofix.com > http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix > > -- Dan Davis 69 Bronco 351W SEFI My Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/user/utahbronco -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.broncofix.com/pipermail/bfix/attachments/20080511/45bb1e96/attachment.html From bfranklinisg at earthlink.net Sun May 11 08:58:48 2008 From: bfranklinisg at earthlink.net (bfranklinisg@earthlink.net) Date: Sun May 11 08:58:41 2008 Subject: [BFix] Anybody recall the amount of lift as measured from the frame Message-ID: <380-220085011155848687@earthlink.net> Need to know what lift these springs are and I recall Chuck or someone posting a measurement from the frame. Of course I didn't need it at the time and now I do. Thanks for the hep! Ben bfranklinisg@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.broncofix.com/pipermail/bfix/attachments/20080511/9660816a/attachment.html From bfranklinisg at earthlink.net Sun May 11 09:15:32 2008 From: bfranklinisg at earthlink.net (bfranklinisg@earthlink.net) Date: Sun May 11 09:15:24 2008 Subject: [BFix] Anybody recall the amount of lift as measured from the frame Message-ID: <380-220085011161532281@earthlink.net> I should have added that I have 10" from the bottom of the frame to the top of the axle. The rear is 10.5 using the same measurement. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: bfranklinisg@earthlink.net To: bfix Sent: 5/11/2008 10:58:53 AM Subject: [BFix] Anybody recall the amount of lift as measured from the frame Need to know what lift these springs are and I recall Chuck or someone posting a measurement from the frame. Of course I didn't need it at the time and now I do. Thanks for the hep! Ben bfranklinisg@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.broncofix.com/pipermail/bfix/attachments/20080511/ac171151/attachment.html From legacy1 at windstream.net Sun May 11 09:29:29 2008 From: legacy1 at windstream.net (Laughner Bruce) Date: Sun May 11 09:29:28 2008 Subject: Fw: [BFix] 4x4x2 box Message-ID: <00a301c8b384$2fdce5c0$01fea8c0@bigbruce> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laughner Bruce" To: "Chuck" Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > I have one of your frame plates coming for this. What other mods are going > to be needed ? It has a 3 1/2" lift and I haven't decided what I am doing as > far as the linkages go,pro and cons of all the various options. It is > looking like heim joints and tie rod under with an adjustable track bar so > that narrows it down to with saddle or without and threaded rods or welding > on bungs (I haven't found anything on either subject). My concerns are > reliability, handling, and interference. I am also thinking I am going to > have to use a track bar drop bracket, but I will wait and see how it looks > first. What about the steering arm ? Why is it every question always leads > to another on a Bronco ? > > > Thanks, > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck" > To: "Laughner Bruce" > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > > > > Maybe because so many people do the swap we forget about the needed mods. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Laughner Bruce" > > To: "Chuck, BC" > > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 6:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > > > > > > > Thanks, I guess I was expecting them to be the same for some reason. > > > > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Chuck, BC" > > > To: "Laughner Bruce" ; "bfix" > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 4:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > > > > > > > > >> The bolt pattern is bigger on the 4x4 box, in fact the whole box is > > > bigger. > > >> The pitman arm splines are the same as the EB box and the input shaft > is > > >> 3/4" 36 spline like most of the EB boxes. > > >> Chuck > > >> toll free 888 304-2945 > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Laughner Bruce" > > >> To: "bfix" > > >> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:01 AM > > >> Subject: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > > >> > > >> > > >> > Is it just me or is there a size difference between the 4x4x2 box and > > > the > > >> > stock box on a '76 ? I am just gathering parts on I hope to do this > > >> > conversion this week. I appreciate the help. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Thanks, > > >> > Bruce G. Laughner > > >> > '77 Bronco > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > bfix mailing list > > >> > bfix@broncofix.com > > >> > http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG. > > >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: > > > 5/10/2008 11:12 AM > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: > 5/10/2008 11:12 AM > > > > > From ntsqd at yahoo.com Sun May 11 09:46:53 2008 From: ntsqd at yahoo.com (ts) Date: Sun May 11 09:46:50 2008 Subject: was Re: [BFix] Thinking outload gas mileageandEB....nowwhyditchthe lock up In-Reply-To: <013801c8b324$39c1dce0$4001a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <782215.39497.qm@web56604.mail.re3.yahoo.com> That aspect of the total picture is one size fits all. The part that isn't covered on the chart is determining where the engine's peak torque RPM is. That is what will decide the gearing because that is the RPM you want the engine to run at while at cruising speed (be it 45 or 105 MPH). FWIW, I can see the strength advantage in ditching the lock-up. It is not something that I would even contemplate doing. I would sooner have a 3 speed auto with a locking converter than a 4 speed OD auto with no locking converter. Then again my last off road trip saw 1249 miles of combined use. The one prior to that saw almost 1600 miles of combined use. Brian Cooke wrote: So you're stating that the table (from your post below-- http://www.4lo.com/calc/geartable.htm) takes into account all engine combinations, meaning it's a "one size fits all" chart for all different size or brands of engines, figuring in cam designs, head volume and efficiencies, induction systems...everything that affects torque curves and throttle response, driver style and needs? I didn't know the referenced chart could factor all that in. I can't see where the chart might show the difference in running a 4cyl with 4.88 gears and 35" tires compared to big block running 4.88 gears and 35" tires. I have my rig dialed in for my needs. Not perfect obviously, but for the $$ I have in it, it works for me. I'm not arguing that 4.10's w/37" tires is a "good combo"... My post below stated that my 351W was turning at 2200 rpm...and I had regeared last fall with 4.56 gears. So figuring 70mph (my reference) not 65mph (the chart), my 351W is turning at appr 2200 rpm. Definitely acceptable rpms for optimum mileage with the gears I'm running. Yes, I might be losing optimum acceleration with this gearing when I'm cruising, but if I shift into 4th, I've got it all back. If I need to crawl slow, I just shift in my 203 box and my 5.72 first gear. Brian Brian @ Columbia River Broncos...20 forward gears & 4 reverse to choose from. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quinn Dusenberry" To: Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: RE: was Re: [BFix] Thinking outload gas mileageandEB....nowwhyditchthe lock up > The idea is to get the engine most efficiently. Take a look at this gear > table and then try to argue the point that 4.10's and 37's is a good > combo. > At 65 mph, your engine would be turning 1770 rpm. The only way you were > turning 2200 rpm would be when you were going 80 mph. Either that or your > "effective" diameter was much less than 37" which could be the case. > > Your switch to 4.56's is much better, but still not ideal. Keep in mind > that > this chart is purely a mathematical table based on the circumference of a > tire. It does not take into account the fact that with a larger > circumference also come more inertia and more weight. You should be > gearing > more towards the red side of the chart the bigger your tires get to help > offset the mass and inertia parts of the larger tires. > > http://www.4lo.com/calc/geartable.htm > > Keep in mind that this chart is just your 1:1 ratio, you need to multiply > all values in the table by your OD ratio (0.73 in your case) to get the > true > rpm at 65 mph. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Cooke [mailto:nvrstuk@elltel.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:20 PM > To: Mike Bowlin; Quinn Dusenberry; mail@broncofix.com > Subject: Re: was Re: [BFix] Thinking outload gas mileage > andEB....nowwhyditchthe lock up > > Not sure why a 351W turning at 2200rpm is bad gearing. Not like it's > lacking torque to adequately move me at 70mph except when climbing a long > 5% > > + grade in OD. Not sure why I'd need to spin the engine at another couple > hundred rpm for extended freeway trips is worth it for wear or for mileage > IMO. Guess that's how I got almost 185,000 miles on this engine I built > 20 > years ago... I regeared to 4.56's last fall to help offset the taller > tires. > > If this was a dedicated trail rig or used 90% on trail that's a different > story. Quite a few EB's are driven more miles off road than on-mine is. > Even > > if you tow your rig to Moab, you're usually putting more road miles on it > than trail miles in a typical day. 10 miles to the trail head, 10 miles > back. Trail is 5-15 miles long...whatever...just an example. > > Most of you know I also run a doubler off road, so "go slow" gearing isn't > an issue at all. > > You're right, heat is a drawback of more HP. For sand, heavy wet snow and > mud, you can't go wrong with more HP tho. Crawling over rocks is totally > different. Just like tires, there's a different drivetrain combination > that > would be best used for almost every terrain. > > > BTW, ask Jack how much fun having that 408 is too! :) > > Brian > > Brian @ Columbia River Broncos...20 forward gears & 4 reverse to choose > from. > > _______________________________________________ > bfix mailing list > bfix@broncofix.com > http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix _______________________________________________ bfix mailing list bfix@broncofix.com http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.broncofix.com/pipermail/bfix/attachments/20080511/ae5de5c0/attachment.html From ntsqd at yahoo.com Sun May 11 09:55:53 2008 From: ntsqd at yahoo.com (ts) Date: Sun May 11 09:55:50 2008 Subject: [BFix] Pitman Arm Length & Steering Feel In-Reply-To: <909026.4124.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <65809.85217.qm@web56614.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Erik has it right. Angle traveled is the same, but the straightline distance traveled by the pitman arm TRE/SRE will be less with a shorter pitman arm. So you will have to turn the wheel further to get the same amount of steering effect. Jim Lemanek wrote: I don't think thats right, same turns of steering wheel. Wouldn't that make it harder to turn the steering wheel (probably negated by the steering gearbox) and the pitman still travels the same degrees, so it may seem more jerky or quicker? Actual distance at the end of the pitman is less due to shorter radius, but degrees traveled would be the same. Erik Christensen wrote: .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } depends how much you shorten, I guess, but a shorter arm means less throw per rotation, resulting in slower steering motion. Bad, IMO. Bronco's steer too slow to start with. ----- Original Message ----- From: u100 72 To: Fix Bronco Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 4:44 PM Subject: [BFix] Pitman Arm Length & Steering Feel Hello All, Does anyone know what happens to steering feel and responsivness with the arm is shortened? Meaning you take the pivot point where the arm bolts to the steering box and the point where the draglink bolt and decrease the distance. I need to shorten this in order to get the max amount of compression travel and steering "throw". Thanks if you know, Matt --------------------------------- Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. 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URL: http://www.broncofix.com/pipermail/bfix/attachments/20080511/70693569/attachment.html From leslielammerth at shaw.ca Sun May 11 10:23:21 2008 From: leslielammerth at shaw.ca (Les) Date: Sun May 11 10:23:42 2008 Subject: [BFix] conundrum References: <694703.6918.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <804b42240805110729s462e0b38o70a5ceb7ec43c89d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002b01c8b38b$b6a8c900$6700a8c0@YOURF2EDB889D0> Wish I could snap a pic of my buddies toolbox and workbench. Hes damn anal with what goes where, and I trying myself to get to where he is with his tool organization. As for me.... the adapters go in the extensions drawer! LES ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Davis To: Jim Lemanek Cc: mail@broncofix.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [BFix] conundrum I just throw everything in a big pile at the end of my work bench. That way I know where it's all at. On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Jim Lemanek wrote: I am cleaning up the garage and putting a lot of stuff and tools away. Do I store the 3/8" to 1/4" adapter with the ratchet or the sockets? I am just at wits end.... :) Sorry, wife's been watching all these "tradiing spaces" and "flip that house" and other shows, been rubbing off on me I guess. On a good note, I came up with a decent way to store my hardtop for the summer which entails a rack that keeps it up high enough that I can store other stuff below it. Still takes up floor space, but its up in the air high enough to fit other stuff underneath it. Like my John Deer lawn tractor (yes, I need a shed in a bad way). --Jim _______________________________________________ bfix mailing list bfix@broncofix.com http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix -- Dan Davis 69 Bronco 351W SEFI My Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/user/utahbronco ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ bfix mailing list bfix@broncofix.com http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.broncofix.com/pipermail/bfix/attachments/20080511/99e25ad8/attachment.html From nvrstuk at elltel.net Sun May 11 12:46:53 2008 From: nvrstuk at elltel.net (Brian Cooke) Date: Sun May 11 12:46:51 2008 Subject: was Re: [BFix] Thinking outload gasmileageandEB....nowwhyditchthelock up References: <971878.84644.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4824B475.40901@prodigy.net><001e01c8b227$790ad1c0$6401a8c0@Mike><4824FA32.5070004@prodigy.net><001601c8b286$00445860$6401a8c0@Mike><007a01c8b2aa$066b0300$4001a8c0@Brian><003301c8b2b0$67ce4a20$6401a8c0@quinnn3v6o28ib><000401c8b2b9$0aa5efc0$6401a8c0@Mike><00d201c8b2d2$d113c830$4001a8c0@Brian><006401c8b2da$5e46c4d0$6401a8c0@quinnn3v6o28ib><013801c8b324$39c1dce0$4001a8c0@Brian> <006901c8b334$619bf060$6401a8c0@quinnn3v6o28ib> Message-ID: <002401c8b39f$c45843f0$4001a8c0@Brian> I sure didn't want to imply that you didn't understand the "generic" one size fits all chart. You and I both understand that and I understand how gearing and torque multiplication works. I'm running on the economy side of the generic chart by choice and doing this quite effectively by running a higher torque engine This is compared to a 5.0, 6cyl, or a 4 banger--which you and I know-- because these factors aren't addressed in the chart at all. In an EB, I'm not extremely worried about stoplight to stoplight acceleration anymore. Those days, and all the cars I used to own that would be respectable doing that back then, are gone. :) Therefore, I'm looking for a happy medium between trail, highway, and ability to launch when I stomp on it when slogging thru or at trying to keep moving through deep, heavy, wet snow, etc and I've found it. I've also been wanting to slap in a 700R4 (and it's advantages) since the days Kincade was working on his now perfected 700R4 adapters. That's been a while- a long while! lol . That's the plan anyway. I have run smaller OD tires with the 4.10 gears and it's fun. Listening to the V8 turning at 3,000rpm down the county road or freeway isn't... . Brian @ Columbia River Broncos...20 forward gears & 4 reverse to choose from. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quinn Dusenberry" To: Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:58 PM Subject: RE: was Re: [BFix] Thinking outload gasmileageandEB....nowwhyditchthelock up > Obviously it isn't a one size fits all chart. It's a general guideline for > most gas powered engines. That's why it gives a range of suggested gear > ratios from the yellow to the red. Sure you should bias it one direction > or > the other based on your engine. Like if you had a less powerful, smaller > displacement engine, you would want lower gears to help offset that. I was > just trying to point out that rather than build a bigger engine to improve > your vehicle's performance, which you've already admitted you want to do, > I > would reconsider regearing it first. Gears will do the same thing as more > torque will. Gears are torque multipliers. If you want to see how you like > how it drives with lower gears, borrow a set of smaller tires and try it > for > a while. > > -----Original Message----- > From: bfix-bounces@broncofix.com [mailto:bfix-bounces@broncofix.com] On > Behalf Of Brian Cooke > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:03 PM > To: mail@broncofix.com > Subject: Re: was Re: [BFix] Thinking outload > gasmileageandEB....nowwhyditchthe lock up > > So you're stating that the table (from your post below-- > http://www.4lo.com/calc/geartable.htm) takes into account all engine > combinations, meaning it's a "one size fits all" chart for all different > size or brands of engines, figuring in cam designs, head volume and > efficiencies, induction systems...everything that affects torque curves > and > throttle response, driver style and needs? I didn't know the referenced > chart could factor all that in. I can't see where the chart might show the > difference in running a 4cyl with 4.88 gears and 35" tires compared to big > block running 4.88 gears and 35" tires. I have my rig dialed in for my > needs. Not perfect obviously, but for the $$ I have in it, it works for > me. > > I'm not arguing that 4.10's w/37" tires is a "good combo"... My post > below > stated that my 351W was turning at 2200 rpm...and I had regeared last fall > with 4.56 gears. > > So figuring 70mph (my reference) not 65mph (the chart), my 351W is turning > at appr 2200 rpm. Definitely acceptable rpms for optimum mileage with the > gears I'm running. Yes, I might be losing optimum acceleration with this > gearing when I'm cruising, but if I shift into 4th, I've got it all back. > If I need to crawl slow, I just shift in my 203 box and my 5.72 first > gear. > > > > > Brian > > > > > Brian @ Columbia River Broncos...20 forward gears & 4 reverse to choose > from. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Quinn Dusenberry" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:13 PM > Subject: RE: was Re: [BFix] Thinking outload gas > mileageandEB....nowwhyditchthe lock up > > >> The idea is to get the engine most efficiently. Take a look at this gear >> table and then try to argue the point that 4.10's and 37's is a good >> combo. >> At 65 mph, your engine would be turning 1770 rpm. The only way you were >> turning 2200 rpm would be when you were going 80 mph. Either that or your >> "effective" diameter was much less than 37" which could be the case. >> >> Your switch to 4.56's is much better, but still not ideal. Keep in mind >> that >> this chart is purely a mathematical table based on the circumference of a >> tire. It does not take into account the fact that with a larger >> circumference also come more inertia and more weight. You should be >> gearing >> more towards the red side of the chart the bigger your tires get to help >> offset the mass and inertia parts of the larger tires. >> >> http://www.4lo.com/calc/geartable.htm >> >> Keep in mind that this chart is just your 1:1 ratio, you need to multiply >> all values in the table by your OD ratio (0.73 in your case) to get the >> true >> rpm at 65 mph. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brian Cooke [mailto:nvrstuk@elltel.net] >> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:20 PM >> To: Mike Bowlin; Quinn Dusenberry; mail@broncofix.com >> Subject: Re: was Re: [BFix] Thinking outload gas mileage >> andEB....nowwhyditchthe lock up >> >> Not sure why a 351W turning at 2200rpm is bad gearing. Not like it's >> lacking torque to adequately move me at 70mph except when climbing a long >> 5% >> >> + grade in OD. Not sure why I'd need to spin the engine at another couple >> hundred rpm for extended freeway trips is worth it for wear or for >> mileage >> IMO. Guess that's how I got almost 185,000 miles on this engine I built >> 20 >> years ago... I regeared to 4.56's last fall to help offset the taller >> tires. >> >> If this was a dedicated trail rig or used 90% on trail that's a different >> story. Quite a few EB's are driven more miles off road than on-mine is. >> Even >> >> if you tow your rig to Moab, you're usually putting more road miles on it >> than trail miles in a typical day. 10 miles to the trail head, 10 miles >> back. Trail is 5-15 miles long...whatever...just an example. >> >> Most of you know I also run a doubler off road, so "go slow" gearing >> isn't >> an issue at all. >> >> You're right, heat is a drawback of more HP. For sand, heavy wet snow and >> mud, you can't go wrong with more HP tho. Crawling over rocks is totally >> different. Just like tires, there's a different drivetrain combination >> that >> would be best used for almost every terrain. >> >> >> BTW, ask Jack how much fun having that 408 is too! :) >> >> Brian >> >> Brian @ Columbia River Broncos...20 forward gears & 4 reverse to choose >> from. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bfix mailing list >> bfix@broncofix.com >> http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix > > _______________________________________________ > bfix mailing list > bfix@broncofix.com > http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix > > _______________________________________________ > bfix mailing list > bfix@broncofix.com > http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix From wesnjusa at hotmail.com Sun May 11 13:39:09 2008 From: wesnjusa at hotmail.com (Nate) Date: Sun May 11 13:39:03 2008 Subject: [BFix] 302 4br manifold needed Portland area In-Reply-To: <002b01c8b38b$b6a8c900$6700a8c0@YOURF2EDB889D0> References: <694703.6918.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <804b42240805110729s462e0b38o70a5ceb7ec43c89d@mail.gmail.com> <002b01c8b38b$b6a8c900$6700a8c0@YOURF2EDB889D0> Message-ID: I need a 4br stock manifold for a 302. I'm in the Portland area. I have a 351W manifold to trade if need be. Thanks, Nate '68 _________________________________________________________________ Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. http://www.windowsvista.com/SP1?WT.mc_id=hotmailvistasp1banner From u10072 at hotmail.com Sun May 11 14:03:48 2008 From: u10072 at hotmail.com (u100 72) Date: Sun May 11 14:03:44 2008 Subject: [BFix] Anybody recall the amount of lift as measured from the frame In-Reply-To: <380-220085011155848687@earthlink.net> References: <380-220085011155848687@earthlink.net> Message-ID: 7" is stock from the bottom of the frame to the top of the axle tube-- not the bumpstop or bumpstop pad. Suggestion is to put a straight edge on the bottom of the frame and measure up to get an exact number. Matt From: bfranklinisg@earthlink.netTo: bfix@broncofix.comDate: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:58:48 -0500Subject: [BFix] Anybody recall the amount of lift as measured from the frame Need to know what lift these springs are and I recall Chuck or someone posting a measurement from the frame. Of course I didn't need it at the time and now I do. Thanks for the hep! Ben bfranklinisg@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_052008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.broncofix.com/pipermail/bfix/attachments/20080511/3b9a1287/attachment.html From legacy1 at windstream.net Sun May 11 14:04:13 2008 From: legacy1 at windstream.net (Laughner Bruce) Date: Sun May 11 14:04:07 2008 Subject: [BFix] 4x4x2 box References: <00a301c8b384$2fdce5c0$01fea8c0@bigbruce> <003f01c8b3a8$63540ef0$4001a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <00d201c8b3aa$91430580$01fea8c0@bigbruce> I ways under the impression that you should be running 5 1/2" suspension before you do a tie rod over. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cooke" To: "Laughner Bruce" Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > Just an IMO, but why force yourself to use a drop bracket by going with a > tie rod under style setup? If you go "rod over", you pretty much eliminate > any need for the drop bracket. I'm still running a home made drop bracket (I > run a 3 1/2" lift) that's only one inch so it doesn't interfere with > anything. This was installed before I went rod over. If I go with any more > of a drop than this, the bracket hits my radius arm cap because of my flex. > > I made the tie rods out of DOM and threaded the tubing. This was before you > could buy any commercially available weld in inserts. > > I use a Yoda box so I can't answer your pitman arm question. > > Have fun. :) > > Brian > > Brian @ Columbia River Broncos...20 forward gears & 4 reverse to choose > from. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laughner Bruce" > To: "bfix" > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:29 AM > Subject: Fw: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Laughner Bruce" > > To: "Chuck" > > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > > > > > >> I have one of your frame plates coming for this. What other mods are > >> going > >> to be needed ? It has a 3 1/2" lift and I haven't decided what I am doing > > as > >> far as the linkages go,pro and cons of all the various options. It is > >> looking like heim joints and tie rod under with an adjustable track bar > >> so > >> that narrows it down to with saddle or without and threaded rods or > > welding > >> on bungs (I haven't found anything on either subject). My concerns are > >> reliability, handling, and interference. I am also thinking I am going to > >> have to use a track bar drop bracket, but I will wait and see how it > >> looks > >> first. What about the steering arm ? Why is it every question always > >> leads > >> to another on a Bronco ? > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Bruce > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Chuck" > >> To: "Laughner Bruce" > >> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:33 AM > >> Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > >> > >> > >> > Maybe because so many people do the swap we forget about the needed > > mods. > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Laughner Bruce" > >> > To: "Chuck, BC" > >> > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 6:43 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks, I guess I was expecting them to be the same for some reason. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Bruce > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: "Chuck, BC" > >> > > To: "Laughner Bruce" ; "bfix" > >> > >> > > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 4:17 PM > >> > > Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> The bolt pattern is bigger on the 4x4 box, in fact the whole box is > >> > > bigger. > >> > >> The pitman arm splines are the same as the EB box and the input > >> > >> shaft > >> is > >> > >> 3/4" 36 spline like most of the EB boxes. > >> > >> Chuck > >> > >> toll free 888 304-2945 > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> From: "Laughner Bruce" > >> > >> To: "bfix" > >> > >> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:01 AM > >> > >> Subject: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Is it just me or is there a size difference between the 4x4x2 box > > and > >> > > the > >> > >> > stock box on a '76 ? I am just gathering parts on I hope to do > >> > >> > this > >> > >> > conversion this week. I appreciate the help. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Thanks, > >> > >> > Bruce G. Laughner > >> > >> > '77 Bronco > >> > >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > bfix mailing list > >> > >> > bfix@broncofix.com > >> > >> > http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > >> Checked by AVG. > >> > >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: > >> > > 5/10/2008 11:12 AM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG. > >> > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: > >> 5/10/2008 11:12 AM > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > bfix mailing list > > bfix@broncofix.com > > http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: 5/10/2008 11:12 AM > > From andyrowe15566 at att.net Sun May 11 14:13:53 2008 From: andyrowe15566 at att.net (Andy Rowe) Date: Sun May 11 14:13:52 2008 Subject: [BFix] Too Good To Be True? Message-ID: <001401c8b3ab$eaec18a0$6901a8c0@D46T2LF1> I saw an ad for these plugs in Popular Science. Anybody out there know anything about them? Andy Rowe http://www.pulstarplug.com/index.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.broncofix.com/pipermail/bfix/attachments/20080511/ed5626d7/attachment.html From legacy1 at windstream.net Sun May 11 14:14:45 2008 From: legacy1 at windstream.net (Laughner Bruce) Date: Sun May 11 14:14:38 2008 Subject: [BFix] 4x4x2 box References: <00a301c8b384$2fdce5c0$01fea8c0@bigbruce> <003f01c8b3a8$63540ef0$4001a8c0@Brian> <00d201c8b3aa$91430580$01fea8c0@bigbruce> <006301c8b3ab$39ce73b0$4001a8c0@Brian> Message-ID: <00eb01c8b3ac$09c56f60$01fea8c0@bigbruce> Okay, so thats one more thing that I don't have figured out : ) It would be nice to run it up higher. What Knuckles do you have ? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cooke" To: "Laughner Bruce" Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > Nope. I built at least 8 complete tie rod over kits for friends in E. Wash > and we all run 3 1/2" lifts with 2" body. None of us run 5 1/2" susp lift > because our trails are narrow and tippy. > > > Brian @ Columbia River Broncos...20 forward gears & 4 reverse to choose > from. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laughner Bruce" > To: "bfix" ; "Brian Cooke" > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > > > >I ways under the impression that you should be running 5 1/2" suspension > > before you do a tie rod over. > > > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Cooke" > > To: "Laughner Bruce" > > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > > > > > >> Just an IMO, but why force yourself to use a drop bracket by going with a > >> tie rod under style setup? If you go "rod over", you pretty much > > eliminate > >> any need for the drop bracket. I'm still running a home made drop bracket > > (I > >> run a 3 1/2" lift) that's only one inch so it doesn't interfere with > >> anything. This was installed before I went rod over. If I go with any > >> more > >> of a drop than this, the bracket hits my radius arm cap because of my > > flex. > >> > >> I made the tie rods out of DOM and threaded the tubing. This was before > > you > >> could buy any commercially available weld in inserts. > >> > >> I use a Yoda box so I can't answer your pitman arm question. > >> > >> Have fun. :) > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> Brian @ Columbia River Broncos...20 forward gears & 4 reverse to choose > >> from. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Laughner Bruce" > >> To: "bfix" > >> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:29 AM > >> Subject: Fw: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > >> > >> > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Laughner Bruce" > >> > To: "Chuck" > >> > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:52 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > >> > > >> > > >> >> I have one of your frame plates coming for this. What other mods are > >> >> going > >> >> to be needed ? It has a 3 1/2" lift and I haven't decided what I am > > doing > >> > as > >> >> far as the linkages go,pro and cons of all the various options. It is > >> >> looking like heim joints and tie rod under with an adjustable track > >> >> bar > >> >> so > >> >> that narrows it down to with saddle or without and threaded rods or > >> > welding > >> >> on bungs (I haven't found anything on either subject). My concerns are > >> >> reliability, handling, and interference. I am also thinking I am going > > to > >> >> have to use a track bar drop bracket, but I will wait and see how it > >> >> looks > >> >> first. What about the steering arm ? Why is it every question always > >> >> leads > >> >> to another on a Bronco ? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> Bruce > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Chuck" > >> >> To: "Laughner Bruce" > >> >> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:33 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Maybe because so many people do the swap we forget about the needed > >> > mods. > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Laughner Bruce" > >> >> > To: "Chuck, BC" > >> >> > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 6:43 PM > >> >> > Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Thanks, I guess I was expecting them to be the same for some > > reason. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Bruce > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > > From: "Chuck, BC" > >> >> > > To: "Laughner Bruce" ; "bfix" > >> >> > >> >> > > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 4:17 PM > >> >> > > Subject: Re: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> The bolt pattern is bigger on the 4x4 box, in fact the whole box > > is > >> >> > > bigger. > >> >> > >> The pitman arm splines are the same as the EB box and the input > >> >> > >> shaft > >> >> is > >> >> > >> 3/4" 36 spline like most of the EB boxes. > >> >> > >> Chuck > >> >> > >> toll free 888 304-2945 > >> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > >> From: "Laughner Bruce" > >> >> > >> To: "bfix" > >> >> > >> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:01 AM > >> >> > >> Subject: [BFix] 4x4x2 box > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > Is it just me or is there a size difference between the 4x4x2 > > box > >> > and > >> >> > > the > >> >> > >> > stock box on a '76 ? I am just gathering parts on I hope to do > >> >> > >> > this > >> >> > >> > conversion this week. I appreciate the help. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Thanks, > >> >> > >> > Bruce G. Laughner > >> >> > >> > '77 Bronco > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > >> > bfix mailing list > >> >> > >> > bfix@broncofix.com > >> >> > >> > http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> -- > >> >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> >> > >> Checked by AVG. > >> >> > >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: > >> >> > > 5/10/2008 11:12 AM > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> >> > Checked by AVG. > >> >> > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: > >> >> 5/10/2008 11:12 AM > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > bfix mailing list > >> > bfix@broncofix.com > >> > http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG. > >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: > > 5/10/2008 11:12 AM > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: 5/10/2008 11:12 AM > > From jlarabold at sbcglobal.net Sun May 11 14:43:14 2008 From: jlarabold at sbcglobal.net (Jeff Rabold) Date: Sun May 11 14:43:07 2008 Subject: [BFix] Too Good To Be True? In-Reply-To: <001401c8b3ab$eaec18a0$6901a8c0@D46T2LF1> Message-ID: <875889.66283.qm@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To good to be true??? At 25 bucks a pop??? Andy Rowe wrote: I saw an ad for these plugs in Popular Science. Anybody out there know anything about them? Andy Rowe http://www.pulstarplug.com/index.html _______________________________________________ bfix mailing list bfix@broncofix.com http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.broncofix.com/pipermail/bfix/attachments/20080511/fbce849b/attachment.html From philmoulton at comcast.net Sun May 11 14:52:42 2008 From: philmoulton at comcast.net (philmoulton@comcast.net) Date: Sun May 11 14:52:38 2008 Subject: [BFix] 302 4br manifold needed Portland area References: <694703.6918.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com><804b42240805110729s462e0b38o70a5ceb7ec43c89d@mail.gmail.com> <002b01c8b38b$b6a8c900$6700a8c0@YOURF2EDB889D0> Message-ID: <007101c8b3b1$5796e7f0$bc00a8c0@ableh43b0me0qr> I have a Holley 4 barrel street Dominator looks like its a 302 and a stock 2 barrel ford will that help any. ? Phil Moulton cell 503-236-0060 philmoulton@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate" To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: [BFix] 302 4br manifold needed Portland area I need a 4br stock manifold for a 302. I'm in the Portland area. I have a 351W manifold to trade if need be. Thanks, Nate '68 _________________________________________________________________ Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. http://www.windowsvista.com/SP1?WT.mc_id=hotmailvistasp1banner_______________________________________________ bfix mailing list bfix@broncofix.com http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix From ntsqd at yahoo.com Sun May 11 16:42:28 2008 From: ntsqd at yahoo.com (ts) Date: Sun May 11 16:42:20 2008 Subject: [BFix] Too Good To Be True? In-Reply-To: <875889.66283.qm@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494323.79676.qm@web56606.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Oh gawd, here we go again. About every 5-10 years somebody discovers that, and markets it as the best thing since sliced bread. Are the OE engineers really that stupid? Capacitors have only been around for over a hundred years. You'd think that if it worked that it would have become common long ago. The coil puts out a set amount of energy. You can trade current for voltage (what the coil does), or you can trade voltage for current, but minus the conversion losses (ALWAYS) the total power stays the same. A capacitor in the circuit isn't going to change that unless it has an external power supply. I guess if you used some of those in combo with an MSD that you could get one normal spark! Jeff Rabold wrote: To good to be true??? At 25 bucks a pop??? Andy Rowe wrote: I saw an ad for these plugs in Popular Science. Anybody out there know anything about them? Andy Rowe http://www.pulstarplug.com/index.html --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.broncofix.com/pipermail/bfix/attachments/20080511/238d95b4/attachment.html From m1ckey3 at hotmail.com Sun May 11 17:07:01 2008 From: m1ckey3 at hotmail.com (Hot Wheels) Date: Sun May 11 17:08:03 2008 Subject: [BFix] Too Good To Be True? In-Reply-To: <494323.79676.qm@web56606.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <875889.66283.qm@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <494323.79676.qm@web56606.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Is that suppose to be a COP effect?MickThis e-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18U.S.C. '' 2510-2521 and is legally privileged. The information contained inthis e-mail is intended only for use of the individual or entity namedabove. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or theemployee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient,please destroy the email after advising by reply that you erroneouslyreceived this. The receipt by anyone other than the designated recipientdoes not waive the attorney-client privilege, nor will it constitute awaiver of the work-product doctrine. Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 16:42:28 -0700From: ntsqd@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [BFix] Too Good To Be True?To: bfix@broncofix.comOh gawd, here we go again. About every 5-10 years somebody discovers that, and markets it as the best thing since sliced bread. Are the OE engineers really that stupid? Capacitors have only been around for over a hundred years. You'd think that if it worked that it would have become common long ago.The coil puts out a set amount of energy. You can trade current for voltage (what the coil does), or you can trade voltage for current, but minus the conversion losses (ALWAYS) the total power stays the same. A capacitor in the circuit isn't going to change that unless it has an external power supply.I guess if you used some of those in combo with an MSD that you could get one normal spark!Jeff Rabold wrote: To good to be true??? At 25 bucks a pop???Andy Rowe wrote: I saw an ad for these plugs in Popular Science. Anybody out there know anything about them? Andy Rowe http://www.pulstarplug.com/index.html Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_052008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.broncofix.com/pipermail/bfix/attachments/20080512/a695b41a/attachment.html From rkforrest at charter.net Sun May 11 19:35:29 2008 From: rkforrest at charter.net (Keith Forrest) Date: Sun May 11 19:35:50 2008 Subject: [BFix] OT Motorcycles Message-ID: <021701c8b3d8$e24fd650$6500a8c0@keith60a6e32a2> All this talk about dual purpose bikes made me buy a XR 650R tonight.Now I just have to go to TN and pick it up.Thanks allot Joe.He He Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.broncofix.com/pipermail/bfix/attachments/20080511/8dfce9fa/attachment.html From 69bronco.davis at gmail.com Sun May 11 20:33:51 2008 From: 69bronco.davis at gmail.com (Dan Davis) Date: Sun May 11 20:33:41 2008 Subject: [BFix] Too Good To Be True? In-Reply-To: <494323.79676.qm@web56606.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <875889.66283.qm@web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <494323.79676.qm@web56606.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <804b42240805112033t6ba48a77s6b8d2774844cc8ae@mail.gmail.com> Back in my two stroke dirt biking days, I did invest in a product called, Nology hot wires. Of course there was only one on my CR500, I think that it was a capacitor that built up the spark. The way I understood it was the plug fired much more than it needed to on a dirt bike, so this capacitor stored it up and made a bigger spark only when it needed to fire. I actually think it did make my bike run faster. Of course it's probably a little hard to tell when you take a CR500, then port and polish the intakes, put an aftermarket exhaust on it, better reeds, etc. etc. On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 5:42 PM, ts wrote: > Oh gawd, here we go again. About every 5-10 years somebody discovers that, > and markets it as the best thing since sliced bread. > Are the OE engineers really that stupid? Capacitors have only been around > for over a hundred years. You'd think that if it worked that it would have > become common long ago. > > The coil puts out a set amount of energy. You can trade current for voltage > (what the coil does), or you can trade voltage for current, but minus the > conversion losses (ALWAYS) the total power stays the same. A capacitor in > the circuit isn't going to change that unless it has an external power > supply. > > I guess if you used some of those in combo with an MSD that you could get > one normal spark! > > > *Jeff Rabold * wrote: > > To good to be true??? At 25 bucks a pop??? > > *Andy Rowe * wrote: > > I saw an ad for these plugs in Popular Science. Anybody out there know > anything about them? > Andy Rowe > > http://www.pulstarplug.com/index.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > _______________________________________________ > bfix mailing list > bfix@broncofix.com > http://broncofix.com/mailman/listinfo/bfix > > -- Dan Davis 69 Bronco 351W SEFI My Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/user/utahbronco -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.broncofix.com/pipermail/bfix/attachments/20080511/6f824838/attachment.html From swartzy at cox.net Sun May 11 22:46:49 2008 From: swartzy at cox.net (Robert Swartzwelder) Date: Sun May 11 22:46:36 2008 Subject: [BFix] OT Motorcycles In-Reply-To: <021701c8b3d8$e24fd650$6500a8c0@keith60a6e32a2> References: <021701c8b3d8$e24fd650$6500a8c0@keith60a6e32a2> Message-ID: <000d01c8b3f3$92919b60$b7b4d220$@net> Sweet! Congrats. I love my DR650. Dual Sport riding is fun, and a good workout if you ride technical stuff. Lots of cool pics and stories at ADVrider.com From: bfix-bounces@broncofix.com [mailto:bfix-bounces@broncofix.com] On Behalf Of Keith Forrest Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:35 PM To: bfix@broncofix.com Subject: [BFix] OT Motorcycles All this talk about dual purpose bikes made me buy a XR 650R tonight.Now I just have to go to TN and pick it up.Thanks allot Joe.He He Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.broncofix.com/pipermail/bfix/attachments/20080511/52db51ef/attachment.html